The First Ever Surf Report Podcast (Please Be Gentle)
OK, here it is. I’ve been threatening this abomination for weeks, and I’m finally unleashing it. I recorded this today, and there are no edits whatsoever. Not because it couldn’t use a few, but because I’m fairly lazy. I’m interested in what you guys think of my voice; is it anything like you expected, or way off? Also, how can I improve the podcast, technically? Does it sound OK? What do you think?
And, of course, if you’d like me to answer any other questions, put ‘em in the comments section below.
Thanks for reading… and now listening!
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Guess I was expecting a little bit more twang.
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I have no speakers here at work! Will give it a listen when i get home.
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Top Ten!
Hug it out Bitches!
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It’s quiet here… too quiet. And now to listen to a podcast.
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I think you have a nice voice! You definitely don’t talk like you’re from Virginia – just a mild southern lilt.
Thanks for posting it, Jeff!
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The podcast is great! Keep doing them, please.
You don’t sound anything like what I expected. I guess I thought you would sound more like the people I knew at WVU. Two of my best friends there were from Dunbar but they’re a whole lot more “Southern-sounding” than you. It’s not good or bad – just different.
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Well that was simply excellent. The voice is nothing like I expected, and I never would have guessed you were a southerner.
I demand that all future updates be audio updates. This reading off a screen is so last century.
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I thought your voice would be nasally and twangy. You sound more midwestern than from southern WV. I know when I get tired my WV accent seems to be more pronounced.
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You sound like Adam Bold! I don’t know if that’s good or bad just my .02!
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Good Afternoon Surf Reporters….
JK, I turned off Lou Reed and the Velvet Underground singing “Sweet Jane” to hear your podcast.
Rank yourself right up there. Go ahead…
As far as your voice goes; it has a little softer edge to it than I had imagined. And being a neighbor to West Virginia, I can pick up a little “twang” here and there, but certainly not as pronounced as a full time residents. I guess all your years away from the homestead toned it down a bit.
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I’m having flashbacks to the Peaches era. I feel like you’re going to order product from MCA any second. And is that Libby Hill I smell?
Your voice? Same as it ever was.
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Definitely Southern. Love the podcast! More, please!
Happy Friday, Surfers! Have a great weekend!
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Dude! You got an accent. Love you more than ever. xoxo
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I think I was expecting more of a 70s porn star voice.
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At first, the voice wasn’t what I expected, but by the end, it seemed to fit you just fine.
BTW, I counted 73 “um’s”. Public Speaking 101, be aware of the “um’s”. And yes, I counted and I’m pretty sure I missed a few. Other than that, pretty entertaining and a few questions I always wondered as well. Tell Toney we want a comment now and then. Maybe she can join the next podcast and tell some secrets about you.
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This is fucking great.
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Kewl! You have a nice voice – very podcastable. I have a suggestion tho – make up a really good story about where the smoking fish comes from! And then let’s all repeat it enough to make it come true! The possibilities are endless.
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I swear, you sound EXACTLY like my favorite brother in law! However, if this were true, I guess that would make me Nostrils.
You sound nothing like I thought you would sound…but, that said, I guess I really had no preconceived notion of what you would sound like. But you sounded pretty good. I do a lot of recording in my “real” job, plus do a once weekly radio show. A lot of people compliment me on my golden pipes, yet when I listen to my recorded voice, I think I sound like a total dork.
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Oooh, Larry beat me to it. Te content is great, the voice is distinctive, but the ‘ums’ throw me. We all have our verbal fillers. Mine is ‘and stuff.’ Horrible, yes? Once you get more comfortable with the equipment and idea, you’ll do just fine.
And you did remarkable well for someone who professes to hate public speaking. I was expecting something a lot more wooden and prepared, Happily surprised to have it NOT be so.
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I thought the podcast was great! You don’t have a really strong southern accent. You certainly don’t sound like someone from PA. By the way I am AKA Pickles the Clown. Got a new laptop so I’m going with another tag.
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You don’t sound like Gomer until you say the word “Gomer”…Gomer
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This is just great Jeff! Need to work in some groovy background music.
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Jeff, I think I heard a snippet of your radio performance once before, so I wasn’t surprised at your voice. But as someone who hails from the Northeast, I can definitely make out your Southern accent, though it’s very light. I guess you’ve gone to great lengths to tamp it down. Me, I’ve made a conscious effort to preserve mine, which I know you’d recognize as you made ample fun of the Philadelphia accent here before.
Funny enough, when I lived in upstate NY and western Ohio no one seemed to hear my accent. But the peeps here in western PA make constant fun, despite being endowed with the equally flabbergasting Yinzer accent. Maybe I can merge the two together to create a Super Accent of insanely annoying proportions.
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You sound American.
So no surprises for me.
I also enjoyed it!
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I was kinda expecting something in a high falsetto like Mickey Mouse. Go figure
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WOW. I’m impressed!! Your voice is very nice and your accent is decidedly not WVian! I think it might be a good idea to limit the length of the podcasts to about 10 minutes per episode , but that’s just me. I listened to all of it.
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Jeff,
Loved the podcast, would like to hear more. And of course it would be a lot more like radio than like public speaking.
I didn’t really have any expectations about your voice. It’s always a strange experience to hear the voice of somebody you’ve only ever “known” online. Sort of like meeting a writer whose work you are a fan of. Anyway it’s nice to have the revelation. You only sound slightly “southern” to me, and I’m a northerner.
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That was great! The ums don’t bother me any, there’s a lot of information imparted by ums.
I also like it plain and simple. Music could be a distraction if not handled just right.
To be honest, I thought the podcast might be a letdown, as I had my own inner vocal to go with your writing.. But now I can hardly remember what that “sounded” like – it’s been replaced with the real deal.
Definitely looking forward to the next one!
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Sorry, accent tangent. I’m also on board with reducing the “uhms” and tightening up the length of the podcast to no more than ten minutes.
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Definately a little hint of the south, but you’re not a Yankee by any means. Sounds like you’ve been assimilated and amalgamated by all the traveling.
All in all I liked the podcast. As a Dlae Carnagie graduate I can tell you I never even noticed any “um’s. Here’s a one for things tha are true:
FPMs in Deadwood = funny
UPPc (Ums Per PodCast) =
And now I have some questions for the next one.
First- Where exaclty do you live and can my family and I stay with you for our next vacation?
Second- Now we understand that eninen are completly cut off from popular culture.
It’s probably reasonable to assume that Sunshine and Mumbles don’t spend much time on the internet either, but I suspect that Sunny loves her some TMZ and National Enquirer. I think she may be aware of some small part of the larger world.
Which brings us to the book (which is rumored to feature so of the WVSR’s cast ‘o crazy’s) . Lets imagine it gets published (is it too early to pre-order my copy?) and is a success. The Cohen Brothers call you, by the rights and develop a screenplay. A movie is released (you’re played by John C. Riley, sans mustache) and suddenly everyone hears about this great new movie based on that popular book by Jeff Kay. This is the kind of thing I expect Sunny to hear about. I also would be surprised to find out that her first call was to anyone other than Nancy. What happens if the cat ever gets out of the bag?
Third- Was that too much of a lead in for 11 word question?
Fourth- What’s the most dangerous thing you’ve ever done sober, and with intent?
Fifth- Which smart chick is hotter; Tina Fey or Winnie Cooper from the wonder years (she has at least one math degree).
Last- Why won’t you let us stay with you on vacation? Will any amount of pleading change your mind?
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I’m listening to it now, so I’ll be able to provide more info later. As for now, I think you sound a bit nervous, but I bet as you do this a bit more you’ll loosen up & those jokes will come rollin’ out.
I’ve heard your voice before & I think it’s a total upgrade from the stoic readings from the radio show. (No offense there!)
All in all I really think this is a good start and again, once you get going, you’ll totally get comfortable with it. Yay for podcasts!
(Oh, and I turned off the sound to my World of Warcraft gaming, so yes, I took this seriously!)
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I heard some of your radio shows, so your voice doesn’t shock me. You have a nasally voice, but so do I. I cringe when I hear myself on a video or whatever. I sound like I have a close pin on my nose and a throat full of snot. Absurd.
But I’ve never been good at picking out faces according to what the voices sound like. I used to do a lot of large construction jobs and sometimes I’d talk to someone for months and have a picture of them in my head. When I’d finally meet them they would look NOTHING like I imagined. Why don’t you have a long white beard and a huge gut, you fuck (I’d think). In fact, to me you sound like you have a beard and a maybe a red toboggan. Way off. See? I suck at it.
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Well, I’m going to have to agree with “your friend from home”, you’ve lost your WV twang!! Shame on you!
The”ums”, well, I wasn’t surprised at that. As quiet and somewhat shy as you were in school I’m impressed that you did a podcast at all. Good job!!
My daughter, who won’t claim to anybody that she’s from WV listened to it and laughed.
By the way Jeff, we are getting a Chick Fil A here, grand opening Thursday. I’ll be first in line for a chicken biscuit & sweet tes! I’ll think about you with every bite!
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Your voice: I briskly massaged myself for about 17 minutes.
In a manly, non-homosexual way.
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I can hear the WV accent, but only slightly. I’m from the deep South, and that accent will never go away, but I don’t mind.
Loved the podcast!
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I expected you to sound much more hyper.
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You sound about like I thought you’d sound. Although, you sound a lot taller on radio.
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I think you sound like Harold Ramis.
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Sounds great! I love it! You are my favorite Internet Muse!
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You sound like a mixture between The Evil Twin’s Wife and Garrison Keillor.
Fun!
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thanks very much for doing the podcast! I definately hear a southern twang but agree with the person who said it was a bit softer. Although I’m a Northeaster so I thought instinctively it would be harsher and faster, but that’s all I hear.
Also for some odd reason I always read Toney as Toon-knee, not like Toni Toni Toni, so that threw me for a loop!
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Bill, you are such a dork!
You know he lost a few inches when he cut the fro!
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Very Tom Bodett-esque once you get it polished up a bit – outstanding stuff
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Sounds way better than the phoners to the radio show…… Since I’m in Cleveland now, instead of Denver, I’m a lot closer. I’d be happy to help you with the gear. Also, I have a legit copy of better than Audacity recording software you can have. I moved to a different platform, and don’t need the license any more. Anyway, if you want to come to Cleveland, bring your gear, and I’ll give you “Engineering 101.”
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Jorge – DEFINITELY Winnie. Smarter, and hotter.
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From a New Englander, you definitely still have the Southern accent…or twang, if you will…a little drawl maybe…
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You definitely sound standard American and also very kind. Like Richie Cunningham. Love this….fantastic job for a first podcast, and hope there are many more to come.
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Um good voice, um nice job! Heard no twang, but then again I am in SC.
Keep up the good work
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For reasons beyond my comprehension I had always imagined a more north-east accent. I realize this makes no sense, it is after all the WEST VIRGINIA Surf Report, but for some reason I was not expecting even a hint of south in your voice, and it’s defiantly there. Not a lot, but there’s no way in hell anyone from North America can mistake your accent as northern.
Overall a good job and I look forward to hearing more in the future.
Unfortunately I have to cut this short as there’s someone driving up and down my street with a car horn blasting “La Cucaracha”. WTF!?!?!? I live in London, Ontario not Tijuana fucking Mexico!! Now I have to put on my pants, go outside, and kill this ignorant son of a bitch.
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I thought your voice would sound more nasal.
Your freinds saying you betrayed your accent are full of shit. Your “A’s” are drawn out like a highschool girl to the hay stack. You also drawl your “ai’s” and “e’s”.
Any good sutherner can tell that you are from south of the Mason-Dixon.
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A little more nasally than I thought and a lot more calmer sounding. Imagining you with your hand whipping through your jiffy pop hair made me think you would sound more high strung. All together though a good voice, very soothing like biscuits and gravy on a cold morning. Also, the ums started to trail off as you got more comfortable with the whole pod cast thing, speaking in front of your “millions” of fans
You do an awesome job here Jeff and I know I sincerely appreciate it, sometimes this is the only laugh I get out of my day.
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I had a “Jeff” voice in my head and now that I’ve heard the podcast, and your real voice, it’s gone. I can’t even remember what it sounded like. It spoke faster than you do, though…
The ums don’t bother me at all, I didn’t actually notice them, just read about them here in the comments… I’m a frequent user of ums myself.
The only downside to this whole thing is that now I can actually get some work done while I’m listening instead of my regular 10-20 minute “break” from work while I read before… this can add up to like over an hour more work I’ll do during the week, without a pay increase. Not cool, Jeff. Not cool.
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by the way, Dexter DOES get better. If you can make it through the first season, its worth it.
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This article about ChatRoulette has nothing to do with anything we’re all discussing at the moment, but Surf Reporters are the only folks I know who would appreciate the line “fornicating with a head of lettuce”:
http://nymag.com/news/media/63663/?imw=Y&f=most-viewed-24h10
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nifty little webcast there Jeff – no hangups with the accent; I am originally from the Wheeling area – Belmont county OH to be exact & I prolly have more of a WV/OH valley accent than you but with a mix of Minn-e-so-dun (think “Fargo”) thrown in from my upbringing here – no matter where I am someone says I have a funny accent as well as having some sort of unfortunate inbred bastardization of 2 distinct vernaculars e.g. yah sure you betch’uns???
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Jeff–your voice is eerily similar to my simulated Jeff voice in my head, which makes me happy. It’s also a comforting voice–and I’m happy to report that I love the podcast.
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JK sounded as expected from the previous radio broadcasts. I didn’t think the “umms” were bad at all, and I pay attention to such things as I do it myself as I’m required to talk in front of people. Much to my disdain.
However, you have lost your WV accent. Neither good not bad, just an observation. Which leads me to my question for your next podcast:
Now that you have lived around the world (Atlanta, LA, PA) what are your thoughts on WV? And what did others think? (Reporters feel free to chime in) . Just curious.
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Nor not not. fuck.
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As they say across here,
‘you’ve got a great face for the radio!’
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I’ve been to West Virginia, and you suh, do not sound like a West Virginian. There’s no twang. I enjoyed the podcast and thought you did well.
Mark
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In my head, I was hearing a slightly higher voice and a faster delivery. The hand whipping through the jiffy pop hair kind of voice…
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I heard the earlier podcasts on the radio here in Raleigh, NC. Regardless, your voice is still quieter than I expected. You have a slight accent, but I lived in WV for 6 years. It’s slight compared to those that live ‘up in the hollers’.
You actually sound a lot like my college Poli Sci professor. That’s not an insult, by the way. He’s a wonderful man. [He kind of looks like a Plimptoon, but he's a wonderful man.]
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Nice job Jeff…thanks for trying to expand the site, you’ll only get better at these podcasts thingy’s.
next stop, NPR’s “Fresh Air” with Jeff Kay? hahaa.
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Well Done Sir!
I am looking forward to listening to you again soon – can’t wait for you to be more comfortable so you can let loose with the full-on Kay!
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Your voice sounds different from the radio spots from years ago. That was due to compression I take it.
I can hear WV. Of course, I am from WV.
There is nothing wrong with a so-called “Appalachian Accent”.
Those who equal such dialects with being dumb, are just going by stereotypes.
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You have a great voice for Public Radio. I kept expecting you to announce that it was time for the ” Prairie Home Companion”…
“wind up sunflower car” LOL
P.S. I won’t tell anyone about the photos. If anyone asks, it’s a live feed.
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Very cool! Not at all what I expected your voice to sound like, but not in a bad way…just different. Keep doing the podcasts. And for the love of God, invite Eninen and/or Sunshine and Mumbles for a visit so that we can hear some stories. If there is any way you could secretly record some of their voices (I know, probably illegal, but I won’t tell) so that we could hear what they sound like, that would be awesome.
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That was excellent. Your voice sounds nothing like I thought it would, but honestly, I have no idea how I thought it would sound. You sound more like your from regular ol’ Virginia, then West Virginia. I’m from Richmond, and your accent sounds just like 3/4 of the folks I know. I hope to hear another podcast soon, so keep ‘em coming!
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Jeff – I teach a class on public speaking and I wouldn’t worry about the “um” breaks. They were not distracting. Now if you start to say “like” every other sentence or clear your throat at thirty second intervals, we’ll need to talk.
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The warm tones of a southern gent in exile. Most excellent, cognitive dissonance notwithstanding. I think the “on the page” voice will remain, even though a new, alterna-Jeff has emerged. Can I propose that we submit our favorite WVSR episodes to be read aloud once in awhile?
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I very much enjoyed the podcast. I didn’t notice the “umms” until others here pointed them out, but then I’m an ummer myself, so maybe we fellow ummers not only don’t realize that we do it, but don’t notice other people umming either.
Regarding the accent, I’m a lifelong Pennsylvania native (southeastern portion of the state), so I understand why fellow Pennsylvanians say you sound like Gomer Pyle or Ernest T. Bass. Of course, that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but the point is that you do in fact have a southern accent.
Looking forward to the next installment.
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Definitely not the Charleston accent! I think you sound fine! I agree with WVULauren: the Charleston-Dunbar-etc. accent can really be thick, depending on the individual, but if you ever had it, I don’t hear it now. I thought it was great. Keep up the good work!
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Hey Jeff
I really enjoyed your podcast. I believe you and I have similar word pronunciation. I grew up in Northern Panhandle of West Va, but lived near Warren, Ohio for a few years, then Pittsburgh for a few years, and now near Reading, PA for 13 years, so I have lost most of my twang (or drawl). You speak a little slower than me, and your voice is softer (soothing?)
Many of my customers in the Northeast still tell me that I have a mild Southern drawl, however.
You have a very good radio voice.
Looking forward to your next podcast. Tell us about some more crazy shit that happened at the convenience store or goofy Nostrils stories. Those are my favorites.
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Liked the podcast, I can multitask while listening. Jeff can I borrow 1000 dollars? I am planning to drive my solar car to Seattle. I pretty sure I’m gonna break down.
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My vote is for a verbal retelling of the McDonald’s “asshole jamboree” story. But any N&N story would be much appreciated as well. I’d actually like to hear the story of their wedding (on a beach, surrounded by a pack of dogs), which I don’t think has been covered in any detail here before.
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Enjoyed your ramblings.
Fun.
I spent a lot of time trying to get rid of my NY accent but you can’t get completely rid of it.
You have a pleasing voice.
Go for it.
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Love it! You sound a little like my Uncle George.
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I was expecting more of a Wally Cox thing with a slight lisp.
But really…all seriousness aside. If you got bad reviews on your voice, would you just quit?
Relax…you’re just talking to your friends.
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I liked the relaxed, deep, throaty intonation and slower speed–an improvement on the radio interview and proto-podcasts of several years back.
Question: What are your vices, other than Yuengling?
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Sorry, Jeff, but you have no accent at all that I can pick up, Southern or otherwise, you cosmopolitan. And you didn’t live far south enough in WV anyway. Give a listen to folks from Charleston. Whoa! And Welch – forget it! (This, of course, does not apply to Tammie.)
Here in Wheeling, we consider ourselves suburban Pittsburghers: we drink ‘pop’, root for the ‘Stillers’, and say “Yinz” and “red up” a lot.
Today’s quote: “All your problems are caused by invisible people. To eliminate your problems, all you need to do is find them and kill them.” Scott Adams [Dilbert]
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Ha. Im fucking wasted. You all rock.
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Loved it! No particular question but at some point during the next one could you use the phrase “zoe whistle dick”? I must hear that with your accent.
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“Alright fellow midwesterners, next on JazzFM we’ll be playing a set from…” =-) Alright, not totally midwest, but I did think you don’t sound much different from the voices I typically hear…
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You’re Jeff Kay?
Oh, pardon me. For some reason you sounded a little taller on radio.
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Nice clean voice, slight accent, a little monotone-well actually a lot monotone.
Your writing sounds more excited/game show host-ish. I almost hear applause when I read something funny you have written, or maybe that is me laughing out loud……
Your voice sounds like my dad’s (that doesn’t mean anything, just an observation)
Does your wife ever sneak on and write incognito?
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If I was to actually find a need to buy an iPod…what channel would Jeff be on? Can I listen to bowling too? I like listening to the weather. White noise at night helps me sleep. Just wondering.
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I liked it Jeff, how about making it a monthly feature?
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I liked the podcast too, Jeff, and I’m not a dialect expert, but you did sound southern to me.
You speak slower than I expected, but now that I think about it, that’s not uncommon for people from the south, the few I know, anyhow.
Keep up the good work.
I wonder what Buck sounds like….
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dto: After Jeff amasses a bunch of podcasts, perhaps he’ll make them available on iTunes. I think anyone can make podcasts available on iTunes, though I don’t know any details of how it’s done. Then, dto, you would download the podcasts from iTunes onto your hypothetical iPod, and listen to ‘em any time you want. (Or, you could just listen to ‘em directly from iTunes.) And I bet you can find a bowling podcast and a weather podcast on iTunes. Note sure about a white noise podcast, though.
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It was cool to finally hear you! I’m a Kentuckian living in WV for the past 19 yrs, so I did recognize a little bit of an accent, but only just a little. I don’t think people should total eradicate all traces of their accents, but smoothing out the edges is probably a natural progression, especially if you’ve moved around a lot.
The “uhms” didn’t bother me at all, either. It was casual/conversational – like we were there at your dining room table with you.
I usually listen to podcasts that last one hour or longer, so I’d be cool with you building up to that, if you have the content n’everythang.
I look forward to more.
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Loved it and ditto to Alice in WV re: the length.
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You sound like you have a cold and are loading up on milk. Phlegmy. I kinda thought it might be this way and I’m ok with it.
And thanks to you I’m now craving pancakes.
Enjoyed listening as opposed to reading specifically because I was able to surf porn at the same time. I’m a multi tasker.
Thanks Jeff!
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Very good. VERY GOOD!
I have three questions for the next podcast:
a)Does anyone ever call you “Jethro” instead of “Jeff”, and if so, do you object?
b)How much does it cost to run this bitch (hosting dues, etc)?
c)Do you like my name (T. Farty McAppleass)?
That’s all for the questions.
I loved your podcast. I’d be happy if all of your updates were in that format, but I also love the comments, which I assume can’t be podcasted or whatever. The shit has its up’s and down’s. You’re the king, Jeff Kay, the KING! Funny and interesting.
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AAHHHHH!!!! I click play and MY VOICE started pouring out of my computer speakers. Jeff sounds just like me. That is scary, I have a voice doppleganger.
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I thought I was listening to NPR. I was waiting for Pete Schweddy to show up. You have successfully suppressed your WV regional dialect and you haven’t yet developed a PA accent to replace it. I guess I was expecting a little more edge. Good listen, though.
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Your voice is fine. People comment on my voice all the time. It seems that no matter where I live, people tell me that I have an accent. Even when I was growing up, before I moved away.
I remember escorting my cousin and his date around on prom night, because neither of them had a drivers license. And his date said that I had a unique voice. And that she loved to hear me speak.
This made me want her. I mean who wouldn’t want a woman that loves the sound of your voice and would be pleased to hear it.
I think she turned out to be a skank.
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I’m a day late and a dollar short and haven’t been on the computer since Friday. So can’t wait to hear it when I get home tonight!
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I think your voice sounds like a northerner too!! Not at all southern. But to me WV is northern compared to OK!! I know – not really a north state but to me here in OK it is.
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row after row of arabs in turbans…sweating profusely.
Theater of the mind, baby!
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I’m late to the party, but I’m still going to jump in the pool with the rest of the folks, since now I know you read all the comments.
I have a few podcasts under my belt myself, and I think you did a fine job. You’ll shake the nerves out and cut the “ums” and pauses out naturally, when you’re more confident and comfortable. It wouldn’t hurt to write down some notes though, to keep yourself on track. I find that works very well for me. Other than that, keep it up! I look forward to hearing more West Virginia Surf Podcasts!
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I think you should deliver a PSA at the end of each podcast.
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Jeff! I had heard your voice before when you used to read some of the posts for a while. I was shocked then and remain shocked now due to your (what I deem) complete lack of any accent. As I have told you before, all of my family are from WV (various parts) and they are way twangy. I live in Texas and have been accused of sounding “hicky”
I have heard myself on tape and I can say that I hate my voice. I sound like Minnie Pearl.
You don’t have any accent to me but it doesn’t matter. I love you just as much with one or without one !
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You need a fun little music intro!
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Thanks, I really enjoyed the podcast. Your voice was not what I expected (I don’t know what I was expecting…) but it was old hat half way through. I do sense a bit of a southern flavor but I am Canadian, eh. The whole thing just seemed very well paced and relaxed and I laughed out loud in a few places. I heard this one at work, I’m looking forward to hearing the next one from home…with the volume turned up a little more and a pint in hand.
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Definitely last again! Jeff, I heard the old audio files that you used to have on the site (what happened to those?) so I knew what to expect. You do have a bit of a Pennsylvania accent creeping in — at least I think so — that shares some similarities with the Western PA accent. Or maybe I’m just hearing things.
The podcast was cool, and the “Ums” didn’t bother me, but then again I was hungover and nursing a beer when I listened.
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I am now ruined. While reading Jeffs words I always heard the voice of Red off That 70′s show in my head. You know when he is mad as hell and jumping down Eric’s throat. The surf report will never be the same for me again, sadly.
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